Photo's Of East Yorkshire Railways

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3 hours ago, Market65 said:

Good evening, everyone. This evening we have a further four photo’s to enjoy, courtesy of Colin Alexander, Railway Dave and Jim Freebury, Peter Foster and Richard Stewart, all on Flickr.

 

The first one shows preserved V2, 60800, Green Arrow, at Scarborough, in c2003.

 

 

The second photo’ is a view of the evening York parcels in platform 4 with the 2030 to Leeds in Platform 5 (1L52). The 1st January, 1972.

 

 

Thidrly, we have a photo’ of B1, 61255, reversing out of Dairycoates, on the 3rd December, 1966.

 

 

The last photo’ shows 37407 "Blackpool Tower" as it passes Beswick Road on train, 3J51, York Thrall to York Thrall via East Yorkshire RHTT, with 37419 on the rear, on the 17th November, 2023.

 

Best regards,

 

Rob.

1L89 was supposed to be a Holbeck diagram but anything could turn up on both the morning and evening workings, any thing from a Type 1 to a Brush 4.

[Market65]

Good evening, everyone. This evening we have another four photo’s to enjoy. They are courtesy of Andy Hughes, Simon Beeston, Adrian Nicholls, and John Turner, all on Flickr.

 

The first one shows 37670 `St, Blazey T&RS Depot' as it passes Brickyard Lane, Melton, at the head of train, 6D54, Hull Docks - Doncaster Belmont Yard, on the 18th May, 2004.

 

 

Next is a photo’ of a class 123/124 hybrid unit, with car E52087 visible. It is on an up service from Hull, in c1982.

 

 

The third photo’ is one which depicts, on a bitterly cold winters afternoon, 08 771 as it gets the signal to drop onto the rear of train, 1E08, the 09.15 ex Bangor which will form train, 1M76, the 15.00 to Liverpool Lime Street once the class 08 has placed the stock back in the platform having released the train engine.

 

 

Finally, we have a photo’ of WD, 90627, (50B) at North Ferriby with a Hull bound Class H train of coal, on the 26th October, 1963.

 

 

Best regards,

 

Rob.

[Boris]

That first wagon behind the dubdee is interesting, one of 13 ton things maybe?

[Market65]

Good evening, everyone. This evening we have four photo’s courtesy of John Turner, 6Y99, and Ado Griff, all on Flickr.

 

The first one depicts Riddles WD "Austerity" 2-8-0’s 90627 & 90240 and Thompson LNER B1 4-6-0, 61306, inside one of the roundhouses at Dairycoates (50B) MPD, in c1966.

 

 

Next is a photo’ of Class 108 dmu (DMBS E53619 leading) with a service for Bridlington pictured at Hull Paragon, on the 12th July, 1984.

 

 

The third photo’ is a view of 20302, heading train, 3S14, at Crabley Creek Crossing, on the 18th November, 2018.

 

 

Last is a photo’ of 03089 at Scarborough, on the 8th July, 1980. It is waiting it’s next task as a class 31 and a class 45 wait to return their excursion trains.

 

Best regards,

 

Rob.

[Market65]

Good evening everyone. This evening we have four more photo’s to enjoy, courtesy of George Woods, Simon Beeston, Ado Griff, and 54A Photography, all on Flickr.

 

The first one is of the preserved class J72, Joem, at Layerthorpe, York, Derwent Valley Rly., in August, 1979.

 

 

The second photo’ depicts 37402, at 1222½, on a Scarborough to Derby R.T.C.(Network Rail), on the 14th September, 2013. However, the caption is most probably wrong since the train is on the down line, with red tail lamps on, and it is surely going to Scarborough from Derby.

 

 

Next is a photo’ of an unidentified Class 45 namer arriving at Scarborough, on the 2nd July, 1983. 
 

 

Finally, it is time for a photo’ of Class B1 4-6-0, 61032, 'Stembok', as it runs light through Dairycoates Yard, Hull, on the 15th July, 1964.

 

 

Best regards,

 

Rob.

[Market65]

Good evening, everyone. This evening we can enjoy some more photo’s. They are thanks to Simon Beeston, John Turner, and Andy Hughes, all on Flickr.

 

First we have a view of 66170, at Beverley, Cherry Tree, on a light engine movement, which will form train, 6T67, the 19.25 Beverley to Doncaster Up Decoy, on the 24th January, 2016.

 

 

Next we see WD "Austerity" 2-8-0, 90057, and Thompson B16/3 (rebuild of Raven NER B16/1) 4-6-0, 61463, as they wait their turn to be coaled at the "Cracker" at Dairycoates (50B) MPD, Hull, in cica June, 1964.

 

 

Thirdly we have a sad photo’ which shows LMS, rebuilt "Royal Scot" class 7P 4-6-0 46122 "Royal Ulster Rifleman" still substantially intact (apart from the removal of nameplates and other cast plates) waits its ultimate fate at the hands of Draper's scrap metal dealers at Sculcoates Yard, in c1965.

 

 

Lastly, here’s a recent photo’ of 66765 `Julie Garn', as it leads train, 6D09, the 09:17 Hull Coal Terminal - Ferrybridge PS off the docks branch at Hull Hessle Road Junction, on the 24th June, 2024.

 

Best regards,

 

Rob.

[doilum]

24 minutes ago, Market65 said:

Good evening, everyone. This evening we can enjoy some more photo’s. They are thanks to Simon Beeston, John Turner, and Andy Hughes, all on Flickr.

 

First we have a view of 66170, at Beverley, Cherry Tree, on a light engine movement, which will form train, 6T67, the 19.25 Beverley to Doncaster Up Decoy, on the 24th January, 2016.

 

 

Next we see WD "Austerity" 2-8-0, 90057, and Thompson B16/3 (rebuild of Raven NER B16/1) 4-6-0, 61463, as they wait their turn to be coaled at the "Cracker" at Dairycoates (50B) MPD, Hull, in cica June, 1964.

 

 

Thirdly we have a sad photo’ which shows LMS, rebuilt "Royal Scot" class 7P 4-6-0 46122 "Royal Ulster Rifleman" still substantially intact (apart from the removal of nameplates and other cast plates) waits its ultimate fate at the hands of Draper's scrap metal dealers at Sculcoates Yard, in c1965.

 

 

Lastly, here’s a recent photo’ of 66765 `Julie Garn', as it leads train, 6D09, the 09:17 Hull Coal Terminal - Ferrybridge PS off the docks branch at Hull Hessle Road Junction, on the 24th June, 2024.

 

Best regards,

 

Rob.

What's the load? Gypsum?  Must confess I can't remember the last time I saw a train on the bridge leading into the PS.

[Market65]

Good evening, everyone. We have more photo’s to enjoy this evening which are thanks to John Turner and, Ado Griff, and Richard Stweart, all on Flickr.

 

We see first WD "Austerity" 2-8-0 90458 (50B) pictured through the coaling stage at its home depot, in c1966.

 

 

Now have a view of 37003, light engine, at Scarbrough Station on the 12th of July, 1980.

 

 

Thirdly we see Class 101 dmu (E54389 & E53230) at Hull Paragon, on the 22nd July, 1984.

 

 

Lastly here is a photo’ of 37401 "Mary Queen of Scots" & 37402 "Stephen Middlemore" between the shadows at Hessle Road Junction on train, 3J51, the York Thrall to Driffield RHTT, on the 25th October, 2021.

 

Best regards,

 

Rob.

[Market65]

Good evening, everyone. This evening here are more photo’s to enjoy courtesy of Charlie Verrall, Andy Hughes, 6Y99, and Ado Griff, all on Flickr.

 

Firstly we see B1, 61021, Reibok, at York, on the 21st April, 1960. 
 

 

Here’s a photo’ of 66622, as it stands at Hull Paragon Station, while work carries on in relaying platform seven, on the 12th May, 2024.

 

 

Now let’s look at 47812 as seen slowing over Cave Crossing whilst at he head of train, 4D95, the 1500 Hull Coal Terminal - Doncaster Down Decoy. The working is conveying Gypsum. Taken on the 27th February, 2015.

 

 

The last photo’ shows on 10th July, 1984, of 46229, Duchess of Hamilton, as it makes smoke on platform 1 at Scarborough, before departing on The Scarborough Spa Express.

 

Best regards,

 

Rob.

[Boris]

Oil tanks to/from Appletons in the background there 

[Market65]

Good evening, everyone. Here are more photo’s to enjoy thanks to John Turner, Andy Hughes, Simon Beeston and George Woods, all on Flickr.

 

Here is a photo’ of Gresley K3 2-6-0, 61985, as it pauses at Brough with, according to the caption, a Doncaster to Hull stopping train, in c1961.

 

 

Now here’s a photo’ which depicts 56134 `Blyth Power', as it approaches Hull Southcoates Lane at the head of train, 6D51, from Doncaster Belmont - Hull Docks, on the 28th September, 2001.

 

 

Now we have a photo’ of 57314. The extended caption gives full details which are:

5Z13 10:33 BRIDLINGTON - 16:18 CARNFORTH STEAMTOWN running on 07/10/2018

Train InformationTrain Running & Realtime Information

Runs on 07/10/2018 

STP schedule runs Su from 07/10/2018 - 07/10/2018 

Operated by WCRC 57601 / 57314

Empty Coaching Stock

Diesel Locomotive

Timing Load - 455 tonnes

Timed to run at 95mphTrain Activated 07/10/2018 06:01

Train ID - 195Z131H07

 

 

The final photo’ shows 66596, at Hutton Cranswick, on an engineers special, on the 26th October, 2021.

 

Best regards,

 

Rob.

[mikemeg]

Since this thread was started, way back in 2015, included among the hundreds of photos posted have been some dozens, perhaps hundreds, of Scarborough Station, through the years. So, just to bring the photos up to date, here's one taken today - July 10th, 2024.

 

The entire interior of the station is wreathed in scaffolding and has been for over two years. There is no work taking place on the station fabric, so the paint continues to peel off the woodwork which is then showing signs of rotting. The threat of glass falling onto the platforms and travellers, from the roof clerestory, means that the whole of the underside of the roof is sheathed in netting. The station is dark, wet and a disgusting place to be.

 

Supposedly a listed building and thus demanding that any repairs are done 'sympathetically', it seems that no-one knows when the repair work will begin nor who is responsible for meeting the repair costs, which must be escalating by the day.

 

In short the whole situation is third class, third rate and third world and is just a disgrace but, seemingly, increasingly typical!!

 

Cheers

 

Mike

 

 

Edited July 10 by mikemeg

[31A]

Well there is this, which suggests that there is a plan, although I can't find any other details:

 

https://colt-construction.co.uk/scarborough-station

 

It would be up to Network Rail to maintain the station roof.

 

 

[Market65]

Good evening, everyone. Firstly, Mike, that’s a good post about the current state of Scarborough station. I asked, in the booking office, about it at Easter and there was no information available. As you say it is actually quite disgusting. It is so dark and miserable. A bad advertisement for visitors to the seaside resort.
 

This evening it is time for more photo’s to enjoy, courtesy of knoxrj, George Woods, John Law, and Richard Stewart, all on Flickr.

 

We see first a view of D49/2, 376, The Staintondale, on a Whitby train at Malton, on the 31st May, 1936.

 

 

Next is a view of 37402, leading a RHTT working at Cottingham, on the 21st October, 2021.

 

 

We now have a photo’ of two two-car class 108’s at Bridlington, on a service to Hull, from Scarborough, in May, 1986.

 

 

Finally, it is time for a photo’ of 60163 "Tornado", as it passes Anlaby Road Junction on train, 1Z70, the Hull to Carlisle "The Ribblehead Rambler" charter, on the 30th September, 2021. This was the first steam hauled train to depart from Hull Paragon in 14 years.

 

Best regards,

 

Rob.

[Boris]

I don't think the roof at Scarborough is programmed for this year so I suspect it will be next year at the eariliest.

[birdseyecircus]

The glass in the roof at Scarborough blew in during a windy night around 2-3 years ago. 

 

Paul

[mikemeg]

15 hours ago, birdseyecircus said:

The glass in the roof at Scarborough blew in during a windy night around 2-3 years ago. 

 

Paul

 

Paul,

 

Thanks. I wasn't sure when but surely the issue is that the bl---y roof is still not fixed, so another windy night could see more glass dislodged. The Victorians, who built the station, would have had it fixed long ago.

 

Network Rail, or whoever is responsible for the upkeep of Scarborough Station, have merely erected protective scaffolding in the seemingly vain hope that, at some indeterminate future date, the roof may be refurbished. In the meantime, the condition of the roof; its framework, its glazing, its woodwork will continue to deteriorate until the cost of repair becomes so great that it is considered uneconomic to repair. Then what!

 

'It is not programmed for this year - see posting above' is simply not good enough!!

 

Network Rail, as custodians and managers of our railway infrastructure, are not good enough and should be replaced by a more competent organisation which responds, in timely fashion, to the needs of the railway infrastructure and maintains it accordingly.

 

As I said, earlier, it is third rate, third class and decidedly third world; all of which would seem to apply to Network Rail!!

 

Let's see what the newspapers make of this abject failure!

 

Mike

 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 11 by mikemeg

[birdseyecircus]

37401 & 37402 under the netting at Scarborough with an RHTT train.

14th October 2021

 

Paul

[Boris]

14 hours ago, mikemeg said:

'It is not programmed for this year - see posting above' is simply not good enough!!

Don't shoot the messenger.

 

It wasn't a windy night, the glass started falling out of the roof in Spring 2021 and the general consensus of opinion seems to be that putting 68s noisy end down is what finished it off, bearing in mind they also managed to break other windows in the station.  Bear in mind how Network Rail is funded, they receive parcels of money from the Government to last them a certain amount of time, referred to as Control Periods.  Post covid in CP6 Network had a great deal of money taken off it as part of the whole tightening the belts post lockdown so budgets were tightened over the entire company.  Control Period 7 has just started so they are into a new budget period so it might well be planned in, but it has to go through the listed building consent process and be put out to tender before work starts.  Then as it will probably involve closing all or part of the station for a period this will have to be programmed in to timetabling etc.

 

Mikemeg, maybe you could submit a Freedom of information request to Network Rail and find out what the situation is.

[mikemeg]

Boris,

 

Many thanks for the clarification. I did know that the 68's, after some problems, were banned from actually entering the train shed. Now, of course, both the 68's and the five coach trains which they were to pull/push have all been withdrawn from service. This after Trans Pennine Express built a new servicing depot on part of the site of the old Motive Power Depot to handle these trains. A facility which now lies unused!!

 

I have talked, briefly, to one or two of the station staff - there aren't very many - none of whom have any idea what is happening or when anything might happen. As a resident of Scarborough and an occasional user of the rail service to York and beyond, I am utterly appalled at the state of this station. We have lost the travel centre; we very nearly lost the booking office and the whole thing looks run down, tired and forlorn.

 

These once quite beautiful stations with their overall roofs are a working part of our industrial heritage, yet we neglect them and allow them to fall into disrepair. Similarly our country stations, where once flower beds and advertising posters adorned them, are now featureless, unmanned and dilapidated.

 

All of this falls within the remit of Network Rail, which organisation seems completely unable to stem the decline on all but the principal London termini. Where is the money now made available from the cancellation of any further construction of HS2; where is the money available for 'levelling up' or is that purely for easing railway gradients?

 

The trajectory of our railway infrastructure is toward 'third world' and the only query seems to be how quickly this state is reached.

 

Cheers

 

Mike

 

Edited July 11 by mikemeg

[Boris]

14 minutes ago, mikemeg said:

Many thanks for the clarification. I did know that the 68's, after some problems, were banned from actually entering the train shed. Now, of course both the 68's and the five coach trains which they were to pull/push have all been withdrawn from service. This after Trans Pennine Express built a new servicing depot on part of the site of the old Motive Power Depot to handle these trains. A facility which now lies unused!!

We were only allowed to put them noisy end down in an emergency.

 

The MPD is still used daily though.

[Market65]

Good evening everyone. Firstly, it’s an informative discussion about the roof of Scarborough station. I have learnt infinitely more from it than over the last two and a bit years. I was in Scarborough today, and what I noticed again today was the smell of the diesel fumes. Again many thanks for the discussion and the information.

 

This evening we have more photo’s to enjoy. They are courtesy of Andy Hughes, John Turner, and Philip Wheldale, all on Flickr.

 

Firstly we take a look at 66414, as it slowly edges forward at the worksight at Hull Paragon Station, while 66555 stands in platform 3. 66414 would leave two hours late working as train, 6Y32, the 17:05 Hull Anlaby Road Junction - Doncaster Up Decoy, on the 16th April, 2022.

 

 

Next we have a photo’ of a class 104 4-car DMU (DMCL E50589 nearest camera) thought to be at Hedon Road Sidings, Hull, pictured during the RCTS (West Riding branch) 1Z02 "Hull Docks Rail Tour", on the 10th October, 1964.

 

 

Now let’s have a look at 47517, on the 14th April, 1991. It is seen at Hull Paragon station, on train, 1A60, the 1700 Hull to King’s Cross.

 

 

Finally let’s take a look at WD "Austerity" 8F 2-8-0, 90092, as it runs into Hessle station with a local trip freight of Presflo wagons possibly heading towards Hessle Quarry, in c1964.

 

 

Best regards,

 

Rob.

 

[mikemeg]

Without wanting to labour this discussion, Rob's comments about the lingering smell of diesel fumes, when alighting at Scarborough Station, are at the heart of this. As well as keeping waiting or alighting passengers dry, the roofs of the train sheds were designed and built to allow light into the station and allow the smells of smoke, steam and now diesel fumes to escape. By virtue of what Network Rail have done, the roof on Scarborough Station now does neither of those things.

 

Light is prevented from entering the station and fumes and smells cannot escape from the station so the station has become dark and smelly; a very unpleasant place to be. It is a disgrace, thus making Network Rail a disgrace!!

 

Ultimately, if not already, this will result in some folk choosing not to travel by train. So Network Rail are killing their own goose!

 

Cheers

 

Mike

 

Edited July 12 by mikemeg

[Boris]

3 hours ago, mikemeg said:

Without wanting to labour this discussion, Rob's comments about the lingering smell of diesel fumes, when alighting at Scarborough Station, are at the heart of this. As well as keeping waiting or alighting passengers dry, the roofs of the train sheds were designed and built to allow light into the station and allow the smells of smoke, steam and now diesel fumes to escape. By virtue of what Network Rail have done, the roof on Scarborough Station now does neither of those things.

 

Light is prevented from entering the station and fumes and smells cannot escape from the station so the station has become dark and smelly; a very unpleasant place to be. It is a disgrace, thus making Network Rail a disgrace!!

 

Ultimately, if not already, this will result in some folk choosing not to travel by train. So Network Rail are killing their own goose!

 

Cheers

 

Mike

 

I doubt the majority of the public give a stuff to be honest, they want to get to work/pub/beach as soon as possible, units that are under the roof are shut down until shortly before departure which is the best that can be done under the circumstances.  It's either that or shut platforms 3-5 until the roof is fixed which is impossible.  TPE are running extra trains on a Saturday to/from Scarborough and most are 6 car 185 sets or 802 sets which are still full in many cases, there is nothing at all wrong with the passenger number in or out of Scarborough if anything the number of train users is increasing rather than decreasing.  

 

I get it that you are a ned and feel very strongly about it but you are speaking from a position of ignorance which is not helping.  As I said, rather than venting your spleen on here or insulting those who supply the information make a freedom of information request to Network Rail to find out exactly what the situation is.  Likewise going to the station and harassing the staff down there won't help, they get their information third hand like the rest of us, you have an amazing customer facing team at Scarborough who deal with some absolute nightmares and do their very best with the resources they are given.

[mikemeg]

I have no doubt that the passenger numbers are increasing; both the service offered and the trains themselves are now excellent and certainly not at issue. I have no doubt that the customer facing team is dedicated and equally excellent. The one member of staff with whom I spoke, briefly, was polite and helpful. Indeed, he showed me the tile map of the North Eastern Railway system, proudly mounted on the station wall.

 

As to knowledge of the railway, its history, its operating problems, the various government initiatives from Nationalisation, in 1948, onwards - the 1955 modernisation plan, the 1963 Beeching Report, etc. - and the impact on the railway and on the travelling public of those initiatives, then I have read them and occasionally written about those also, for various publications, beyond contributing to this forum.

 

I also closely followed, on an almost daily basis, the building of an entirely new station roof at Pickering. A roof of the same vintage and architecture as that on Scarborough Station i.e. based on Pratt trusses with wood interior, slate tiling and with a central clerestory ventilator.

 

Almost everyone who reads newspapers or watches TV News programmes is aware that the public finances are under enormous pressure and that organisations which depend, either wholly or partially, on those finances are equally under enormous pressure. Difficult choices will have to be made as to how and where those limited funds are deployed and, inevitably, there will be 'infrastructure casualties'  due to lack of funding.

 

We can only hope that when funding is available for the repair and restoration of the station roof at Scarborough, such funding arrives in time and is sufficient to restore the station to its former state.

 

Cheers

 

Mike

 

Edited July 12 by mikemeg