Brassey Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 Why not ring the changes with a closed cab 517 in brown? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richbrummitt Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Brassey said: Why not ring the changes with a closed cab 517 in brown? my increasingly rubbish memory believes this change is beyond the usual time (1906) we are transported to for enjoying Modbury. Edited September 7, 2020 by richbrummitt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brassey Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 14 minutes ago, richbrummitt said: my increasingly rubbish memory believes this change is beyond the usual time (1906) we are transported to for enjoying Modbury. You could be right, according to RCTS, auto apparatus was fitted to this class from 1904. It states that under Churchward many auto fitted engines were painted to match the contemporary carriage livery but gives no date. No date is given either for closed cabs apart from "Under Churchward". I have to declare an interest in that I am just finishing my second 4mm 517, this one in brown, but my layout is dated 1912 by which time 1425 might have still been in that livery. RCTS states that the locos that were disguised with dummy coachwork had it removed by 1911 so the matching livery might have been obsolete by then too. In which case rule 1 applies. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 Narrow closed Churchward cabs began to be fitted from 1902. The 'brown' livery was applied to a few locos in 1905. The brown wasn't the same as coach brown - the loco brown being a lighter reddish-brown. Here's a 7mm 1157 (by Tony Reynalds I think) sitting on Adrian Marks' photo track. I prefer normal green. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Donw Posted September 7, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Miss Prism said: Narrow closed Churchward cabs began to be fitted from 1902. The 'brown' livery was applied to a few locos in 1905. The brown wasn't the same as coach brown - the loco brown being a lighter reddish-brown. Here's a 7mm 1157 (by Tony Reynalds I think) sitting on Adrian Marks' photo track. I prefer normal green. The wolverhampton green obviously there is quite a choice of liveries for a 517. Don Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Smith Posted September 7, 2020 Author Share Posted September 7, 2020 Personally the brown livery does absolutely nothing for me, I’m not even a fan of LBSCR umber. Similarly locos in fake coach cladding have little to offer, I do however have a Worsley Works steam railmotor to do one day, although being a model of the preserved one I may have to model that in the brown livery, although there is more likelihood that it will be turned out in the same livery as my other coaching stock! It was I believe built in 1908, the year that the brown livery was introduced. As for my 517, it will be open cab with the Swindon high-backed bunker, and I will probably find an example that had been auto-fitted by 1906 - I have an old Langley auto coach kicking about somewhere Ian 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
drduncan Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 (edited) Ian, to change direction a little; are there such things in 2mm as kits for the Dean 6’4” bogie? Duncan Edited September 8, 2020 by drduncan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richbrummitt Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 4 hours ago, drduncan said: Ian, to change direction a little; are there such things in 2mm as kits for the Dean 6’4” bogie? Duncan Not from the association shop. Both Ian and myself did artwork for our own respective etches. Also for 8’6” and 10’ in my case. I have some worsley works, 5522, mallard and other etched that need them. Here’s an example under the end of a 40’ van with some additional parts. without the usual subterfuge employed in all scales for the clearance between the hangers and springs it’s only good for very large radii. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Smith Posted September 8, 2020 Author Share Posted September 8, 2020 5 hours ago, drduncan said: Ian, to change direction a little; are there such things in 2mm as kits for the Dean 6’4” bogie? Duncan As Richard said above, both he and I have done our own etches for our own purposes. The chief shopkeeper has asked if I would mind doing some for the shop, but it’s one of those things that is on my list of things to do, and is a complete re-design to make them easier to assemble (springs and axleboxes mainly). Unfortunately because I have enough of my own for what I need the project is a bit of a back burner. Ian 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ian Smith Posted October 13, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted October 13, 2020 Today I got the camera out to record for posterity some of the recent additions to Modbury ... An overall view looking in the Plymouth direction illustrate the telegraph poles that have been added - these are at a scale 60 yard separation. I couldn't resist a view in the opposite direction towards Newton Abbot, this is the view that the operator has. Dean Goods (No.2569) waits for the signal to be lowered before it can continue with a morning passenger train of 6 wheelers. A slightly closer view of the station area, which gives a bit better view of the yesterdays additions - the rotating point disks connected to the down main to goods loop crossing. As yet, the discs do not rotate as they will need to be connected to servos which will act simultaneously to the memory wire actuators controlling the throw of the point blades. Finally an image from the archives (?) showing a close up of the signal box environs which provides a much closer view of one of the telegraph poles. Thanks for looking. Ian 19 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Mikkel Posted October 14, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 14, 2020 Lovely views Ian. I look at Modbury and think "So this is how it was". I'm always amazed at the difference telegraph poles make on a layout. Just a handful of uprights but they they add a lot of depth and width to the scene. 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lacathedrale Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 That last photo is just gorgeous, @Ian Smith - quite literally could be a period photograph! 1 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium CF MRC Posted October 14, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 14, 2020 About time this appeared in MRJ! Tim 3 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ian Smith Posted October 16, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted October 16, 2020 The number plates for my Dean Goods arrived a couple of days ago from Narrow Planet - never used their services before (all of my other locos feature my own numberplates etched in 0.006" brass), but I am very happy with them. I have secured them to the cab sides with small dabs of satin varnish, and last night took the following photos : A side on view of the Dean Goods sporting her new numberplates. Dean Goods no. 2569 doing what she was built for - a contrived shot as the traintables will only allow her to pull a maximum of 9 wagons on the layout. Same from the other end - the signalman has been pretty damn quick to restore the home signal!!! Thanks for looking Ian 16 7 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgman Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 Superb looking locomotive Ian but then I am slightly biased. Contrived or not it certainly makes the scene believable in my eyes, you should be very proud with what you have produced to date and giving us all a snapshot of what used to be. G 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian Morgan Posted October 16, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 16, 2020 2 hours ago, Ian Smith said: - the signalman has been pretty damn quick to restore the home signal!!! Yes, if the guard had seen the signal go back to danger before he had passed it, he would be rapidly applying his brake. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold queensquare Posted October 16, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 16, 2020 On 14/10/2020 at 09:40, CF MRC said: About time this appeared in MRJ! Tim Its in hand, I have the text, waiting for the pictures which I suspect were waiting for the arrival of the number plates. I hope we get some nice long freights even if it won't fit on the train table! jerry 7 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richbrummitt Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 2 hours ago, queensquare said: I hope we get some nice long freights even if it won't fit on the train table! yes please 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ian Smith Posted October 17, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted October 17, 2020 A week or two ago I promised to try to post some photos of how I paint my coaches, so here goes... The initial point of course is the priming. I use an etching primer from Halfords. As can be seen my preference is to solder the door handles and grab rails in place before any painting is commenced - I scrape these back to bare brass before the final coat of varnish is applied. Having masked the roof and brown bits with masking tape, the cream is applied. Once that's had a chance to thoroughly dry (I generally leave it for a couple of days at least), I then cover the cream area with Humbrol Maskol fluid (I apply this quite thickly with a couple of coats as it becomes much easier to peel off that way). The mouldings help to keep the Maskol roughly where I want it, but occasionally it does stray into what should be a chocolate panel, I try to rectify these indiscretions if I spot them with a cocktail stick but invariably miss one or two places, not that it matters too much as there will almost certainly be some touching up to do later anyway! The chocolate is then applied and once it's dry the Maskol can be peeled off. The centre door panel shows one of my "indiscretions" with the Maskol!! After another couple of days of drying time, it's now time to apply the black lining on the moulding. I do this with a 0.01mm Rotring pen and their black ink. Above can be seen the tools used at this stage - a really important piece of the equipment (for me) is the "clamping frame" which holds the model securely while the lining is drawn. This is made from 3 bits of 3/4" MDF, a base, a hand rest (glued to base) and a sliding clamp piece. The depth of the clamp is just right for 2mm scale models. The coach is clamped in the "clamping frame" in a bed of kitchen roll to protect the model, and the moulding lines picked out with the Rotring pen and a straight edge. The curved corners of the mouldings are touched in freehand afterwards. Again the odd mistake is bound to be made where the pen slips into a cream panel, and this will need to be touched up later with a fine brush and two or three coats of well thinned cream paint. With the moulding lines drawn, the next stage is to paint the mahogany bolections. The paint is thinned to a consistency where it will flow under capillary action and gravity around the windows - it might be possible to see that when I designed the artwork for this coach that a narrow trough was etched around the window to delineate the bolection which aids the painting of the window surrounds as it acts as a "stop line". The above image is simply to illustrate the bolection and door droplight painting. Good light and magnification, a pringle lid palette, and a puddle of paint that is regularly topped up with thinners to obtain a consistency that flows around the bolections. The door droplights don't have the luxury (on my etched coaches) of a "stop line", so thicker paint, a steady hand and a fair bit of cleaning up afterwards is required to get these neat!! The final image in this post shows the coach side after "iteration 1" of the process. I have started to clean up the cream paintwork around the door droplights with a very fine sable brush moistened with thinners to lift off most of the errant mahogany paint. It will be necessary to touch up the cream further into the process!! It is now a "simple" case of repeating most of the above to obtain a neat finish that I am satisfied with. All being well in a few weeks the coach will be ready to add to the rest of the train : What I'm aiming for! Thanks for looking, Ian 9 6 19 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 Good mahogany colour. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Smith Posted October 17, 2020 Author Share Posted October 17, 2020 11 minutes ago, Miss Prism said: Good mahogany colour. Russ, I use Precision Paints colours for my coaches - Coach Cream and Coach Brown, and their Mahogany too. Ian 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard i Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 Ian thanks for showing the process. Most interesting that the top fill in is black. I must go back and check for mine as I think the gcr extended the brown up to surround the upper panels. This does look very doable. ( if that is a word). Though lots of skill and practice to make it look as good as yours many thanks richard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coal Tank Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 Lovely work Ian 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Mikkel Posted October 19, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 19, 2020 On 16/10/2020 at 10:38, Ian Smith said: That's superb, Ian. What's your position on sheets (tarpaulins) ? I'm ambivalent about them. Aesthetically I prefer my trains and wagons without them, but we know what the prototype looked like. So far I have a halfway-house solution with a handful of detachable sheets at the ready, but that means no roping. Any thoughts would be appreciated. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted October 19, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Mikkel said: That's superb, Ian. What's your position on sheets (tarpaulins) ? I'm ambivalent about them. Aesthetically I prefer my trains and wagons without them, but we know what the prototype looked like. So far I have a halfway-house solution with a handful of detachable sheets at the ready, but that means no roping. Any thoughts would be appreciated. I'm a fan of fixed, correctly tied, sheets, having indeed used Ian's artwork for GW sheets. But I think depicting the sheet ties might be a bit of a challenge in 2 mm scale - but what's that scale for if not challenge? At 4 mm scale, I use sewing thread; for 2 mm one might have to unravel the thread and use separate strands. It's increasingly my feeling that one has to plan the model as a complete unit: wagon, load, and sheet; rather than regarding the load or sheet as an afterthought. (Not that I've consistently practiced what I'm preaching there.) An advantage of this approach is that one can often dispense with some detail on the wagon body! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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