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A Mink and a Mystery


Barry Ten

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Just off the workbench is this David Geen diagram Y3 Mink C/D, one of two that I've got to build. The kit went together well, any problems being more to my lack of experience with the entirely white metal kit than the product itself, this being only the second of such that I've done. Unlike a plastic kit, where you can build the chassis and then "spring" the wheels in later (or remove as required) the nature of this beast is that you have to trap the wheels in during assembly, and once in place, there isn't much scope for adjustment. It took a bit of fighting to get it level and square, but after some cussing and cups of tea I got there in the end. The instructions left me in the dark when it came to the brake gear, and my reference material wasn't much more help, so there's an element of guesswork going on there, aided by reference to other GWR models in my collection.

 

I took a chance on adding the lower footsteps, not sure how they will stand up to handing, but we'll see how they go.

 

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Anyway, one down and one to go - and I'm not sure whether I'll dive into the second one now, while the build is still fresh in my mind - and then paint and decal them as a batch - or put the other one aside for a rainy day. I know what the sensible person would do...

 

Anyway, onto the thrilling "mystery" part of this episode. Here's a model that's been in my ownership for the better part of forty years, but about which I know very little...

 

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It's a wholly scratchbuilt model of what I presume is a Sentinel of some description. It was given as a gift to me by a friend of my father's, whom we visited one evening in Cardiff. This would have been in the mid-to-late 70s, at a guess - between 75 and 77, I'd estimate. My dad's friend (who may have had some connection to my dad working for Glamorgan county council) was an older man who had a large collection of what I took to be German HO models, black engines with red frames. But he had also scratchbuilt some models, of which the gift was an example (and, in hindsight, an extraordinarily generous one). Beyond that, I don't know anything about the modeller in question but I'd imagine he must have been known to some of the older faces on the Cardiff scene. His name may have been Mike but I could well be imagining that.

 

Here's the chassis:

 

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The wheels are coarse across the treads, but the flanges are fine enough that it will still run through modern Peco track. The motor looks ancient - can anyone identify the make? Transmission is via a chain of gears driving both axles, in the style of a tender drive. I presume the chassis is scratchbuilt - it has a handbuilt look to it - but I can't say for certain.

 

Does it run? Well, it used to - but because it had chain couplings, it didn't get a lot of use on my 70s train set. As it turns out, at some point since then the pickups have suffered damage but the motor still turns when power is applied, so there is no reason for it not to run again. Here it is, anyway - showing some signs of age, but otherwise solid, and a fine memento of the kindness of an older modeller.

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Barry,

 

The motor looks like a 'Romford Bulldog' (same stable as the wheels).  It fits with your timescale as it was available (IIRC) from about the late '50s onward and (at the time) was oe of the better cored motors on the circuit.

 

Like the 'Mink' as well.  I find with Gean kits that the mouldings are superb - but the instructions leave a lot to be desired!

 

Regards

 

Ian

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  • RMweb Gold

A really nice vehicle that Geen model.I hope it's painted brown Al.Nice and weighty those whitemetal kits too.

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Scanman - thanks! Yes, I think we can assume the model was already quite old when I acquired it, so 50s - 60s would seem very plausible.

 

Robin: brown it shall be! In fact I bought the kits specifically because I wanted to add a few more brown vehicles to my GWR fleet. I'll soon have quite a backlog of painting and decaling to do, as I have a couple of grey wagons waiting finishing as well.

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  • RMweb Gold

Thanks.I've just noticed your nice looking station platform lamp.What make is it please.

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My rambling thoughts on that motor - The only picture of a Romford Bulldog open frame motor (if that's the term) that I have is in the Dec. 1971 W & H catalogue.  It shows a drawing of a motor very similar to the Tri-ang X04, except that it's a five pole motor.  This could be a fifties version of the Bulldog.  Then again, your motor seems to be a three pole motor (I'm guessing) and I'm wondering if this is a Tri-ang X04 with modified / scratch built brush gear arrangement?  Given the sometimes very tight space in which to fit motors into loco bodies, to have such a large vertical brush arrangement wouldn't - at least to me - lend itself to any commercial loco; sentinels, in this case, excepting.  Just above the left hand screw holding the motor in place is what appears to be the thin metal casing that would hold the felt oil retaining pads that Tri-ang fitted in the 1960's.  Later models still had the metal casing but the pads were no longer fitted, just like in your motor.  Then again, that large blob of solder suggests to me that the Tri-ang X04 brushes would lift away from the commutator every time it came round, which says to me that it's maybe not a modified X04 (!) and hence the narrow face brushes fitted.  Hard to tell but the motor has a certain apparent 'chunkiness' which might indicate Trix or other continental makes.  Then again - again; I haven't got a clue but it was fun pondering!     

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Hi Steve - I'm not sure if it's obvious from the pic, but the brushes actually bear onto the front of the commutator, rather than the sides - that's the best way I can describe it anyway. I don't know enough about motors to know if that was a common arrangement. I only know of the X04 type system, with the spring-retained side brushes.

 

You mention that there should be room in a Sentinel for conventional brushes - agreed - but in fact this model appears to be a virtually solid block of metal! The body has sides about half an inch think! So in fact, for one reason or another, it is quite tight in there.

 

When I have a better look it, I should be able to work out whether it's 3 or 5 pole. Many thanks for your thoughts, very interesting.

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