P4 - Production etch complete.

P4 - Production etch complete.

Postby craigwelsh » Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:30 pm

Yup, after a summer of moves and not really having a workbench i've got one back together up here in Manchester!

First thing off it is these rather nice compensated bogies from Masokits:

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Beautiful smooth running (too much so when one took a dive off the end of the bench!) and the compensation works well along with the bogie pivots being a good design.

The wheels on the left bogie are AG while those on the right are Maygib's. I'm sure the AG's are set for S4 as they are right at the top of the B2B tolerances and really need bringing in a tiny amount. The plastic center does look better than the Maygib mind.

These will be fitted to an Airfix Macaw when I got and get it from Cardiff. I have another set that will probably sit under a Bachmann B-Bolster C. I will probably just stick the platic sideframes on to these.
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Postby MartinWales » Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:38 pm

Nice work! Whose wheels are you using?
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Postby craigwelsh » Tue Oct 02, 2007 3:43 pm

MartinWales wrote:Nice work! Whose wheels are you using?


Erm, it says above..


I certainly bought myself a challenge in the shape of a Martin Finney loco on Sunday at Scaleforum. I'll work up to it by doing a Mallard models 3000g tender 1st :).
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Postby Captain Kernow » Tue Oct 02, 2007 7:21 pm

craigwelsh wrote:I certainly bought myself a challenge in the shape of a Martin Finney loco on Sunday at Scaleforum

Go on then, which one d'ja get? :D
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Postby craigwelsh » Wed Oct 03, 2007 1:11 pm

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craigwelsh wrote:I certainly bought myself a challenge in the shape of a Martin Finney loco on Sunday at Scaleforum

Go on then, which one d'ja get? :D

You'll find out when I start building it ;). As usual with my buying I didn't mean to get it but its 2nd hand and came with Ultrascales.

Here is one of my purchases though. RTR Bachmann Pannier with P4 Ultrascale conversion fitted. The body will be swapped for the BR l/c black one I have at home and the resulting 00 GWR one will be flogged on here. Excess slop in the coupling rods really needs taking out.
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Slow progress is being made on the 14xx. Fitted the axlebox castings and the rear sandboxes last night. Chris Gibbons unfortunately sent out Pannier front sandboxes to 144xx owners (and vice versa) so these won't be fitted for a while. Looks like a Pannier chassis purchase at Warley! Pickups are still to be sorted although I do have the phosphor bronze ready. Body detailing had also moved forward with handrails being added to the cab.
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Started using another Scaleforum purchase last night on this Slope-sided mineral. I built is ages ago from the Parkside kit with Bill Bedford w-irons but the kit brakegear was a bit rubbish. Bought some BB etches for 9ft wagons and this picture shows one side of them fitted. Don't think i've got the brake lever exactly right but its better than the nothing there was before! Weren't too fiddly to build up either although I would suggest building it all on a brass subframe if starting from scratch.
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Postby Captain Kernow » Wed Oct 03, 2007 4:19 pm

Rather nice Craig - so how well does the Pannier actually run?

I do like the BB brakegear - I've got various bits salted away, although it tends to be a bit of a lottery as to who's bits I use when I do a batch of wagons, kind of whatever comes out of the bits box first..... :? :wink:

Have you stripped the 14XX body down? Are those replacement rivets on the smokebox, btw?
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Postby craigwelsh » Thu Oct 04, 2007 1:07 pm

Captain Kernow wrote:Rather nice Craig - so how well does the Pannier actually run?

The usual affair for new Bachmann (ie rather good). Would probably be improved by a Lenz Gold and a better controller than mine(Hornby trainset one), ran well on Faringdon using that control. The coupling rods could do with spacing out a bit as one has a tendancy to hit a brake block. Hoping to do the body swap this weekend if I remember.

I do like the BB brakegear - I've got various bits salted away, although it tends to be a bit of a lottery as to who's bits I use when I do a batch of wagons, kind of whatever comes out of the bits box first..... :? :wink:

Yup, I also bought Masokits bits to look at but decided to fit the BB stuff to this as its less fidly.Seems to match photos anyway and i've reshaped the brake lever a bit now along with the door spring. Will fit the other side when I get the iron out again.

Have you stripped the 14XX body down? Are those replacement rivets on the smokebox, btw?

The body was bought with the replacement smokebox rivets and there are also new rivets on the front bufferbeam. The rear bufferbeam needs doing to match. A new vent on the cab roof has also been fitted by the previous owner as well as the beginnings of the auto fittings. AWS boxes were also supplied. Collet buffers from Slaters are to be fitted once i've drilled the bufferbeams. I really need to order the MT kit for the cab detail and find a way of removing the motor shaft.

I did make a start on the Mallard tender but it is an awful kit and a right potch so i've given up for now until I can find a piece of wood of the right size to perch it on.
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Postby MartinWales » Thu Oct 04, 2007 1:16 pm

craigwelsh wrote:
MartinWales wrote:Nice work! Whose wheels are you using?


Erm, it says above..


I certainly bought myself a challenge in the shape of a Martin Finney loco on Sunday at Scaleforum. I'll work up to it by doing a Mallard models 3000g tender 1st :).


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Postby gwrrob » Thu Oct 04, 2007 3:04 pm

Here is one of my purchases though. RTR Bachmann Pannier with P4 Ultrascale conversion fitted. The body will be swapped for the BR l/c black one I have at home and the resulting 00 GWR one will be flogged on here.


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How much will you want for the pannier body ?
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Postby craigwelsh » Fri Oct 05, 2007 1:51 pm

gwrrob wrote:Here is one of my purchases though. RTR Bachmann Pannier with P4 Ultrascale conversion fitted. The body will be swapped for the BR l/c black one I have at home and the resulting 00 GWR one will be flogged on here.


Craig

How much will you want for the pannier body ?


It'll come with the chassis off the black one (00) and i'll sell it as a complete boxed loco. Not sure about the price yet. It is the newer body and chassis though.

Ah the dangers of skim reading Martin, no problem, at least this topic isn't contentious ;).


Anyone care to share the secrets of detailing the body of bogie bolsters btw, I know one member showed a lovely one in another thread. Its the brake gear I could do with info on.
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Postby craigwelsh » Mon Oct 08, 2007 4:22 pm

My P4 pannier is now in Black and after a bit of cleaning and tweaking is running even better than before. Should be perfect with a decoder in!

The green one is now back to 00.

I have also fitted the Masokits bogies to a Bachmann 30T Bogie Bolster C although I need to find some more washers for it to be a total success.

Work is soon to start on my BY.

Pictures will take a while as I left my camera cable in Cardiff!
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Postby craigwelsh » Tue Dec 11, 2007 5:02 pm

Haven't posted anything in a while but i've mostly been doing little bitty jobs and playing with my Dynamis along with some research for a layout.

I have however bought a few Parkside kits in the last 2 weeks shows to get on with.. Another 3 should turn up soon too :?
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Postby craigwelsh » Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:10 pm

The Parkside haul in the above post had now mostly reached the completed body stage and some are beginning to receive springing units.

Currently off my workbench and on to the set setup in the bedroom (Dynamis means I can run trains in bed :D) is this MERG accessory decoder I mentioned in the DCC area. The two Tortoise in the foreground both work correctly now on address 3 & 4 via the Dynamis although I think i've knackered the 1st output on the decoder with a bit of short circuiting and some smoke. Hopefully its just me messing up the programming however! The second one was built up in about 30mins tonight and I will need to test setting this as the next 4 addresses.
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Another photo showing the board with most of the components soldered down. Only the first output was useable at this stage (see the two wires on the board heading toward the connector block). There is the possibility of driving 8 LED's, memory wires or bulbs from this decoder if the diode and transistor are left out and a resistor used instead of the piece of wire. I will probably buy more boards for running my signals and leave these two for the points.
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I have also been weathering some wooden mineral wagons, although like the majority of 16ton minerals from Bachmann these are the less common ones without an end door. The one with remnants of original livery needs a P number box adding. Apologies for the picture quality, energy saving lightbulb when daylight had run out :(. The coal does need weathering though as it has too much of a shine.
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Here is the BR grey wagon after only a basic wash of Games Workshop black ink that has been smeared down the wagon with my thumb. To reach the above state the wagons gained dirty ironwork done with a mix of Scorched Brown, Chaos Black, an orange mix and Red Gore to use the Games Workshop names! The underframes also get an off black mix to make them look less plasticky. I tend to drybrush the edges with a lighter mix then. Eventually they will get some brake dust sprayed on. P4 wheels were an easy enough fit and only required a little work with the snips to remove some plastic from the back of the w-irons. There both are square when placed on a mirror too which is a bonus.
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Postby MartinWales » Mon Jan 14, 2008 5:49 pm

Saves a lot of time using the excellent Bachmann product-I reckon on about two hours per wagon conversion time now (that only because I've done so many and I'm now supposed to know what I'm doing!! :roll: )
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Postby Captain Kernow » Tue Jan 15, 2008 11:00 am

I had a most unusual experience with a Bachmann 16 tonner last night, one of my Bill Bedford chassis-fitted ones.... I'll explain more on my workbench thread....
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Postby craigwelsh » Tue Jan 15, 2008 12:06 pm

MartinWales wrote:Saves a lot of time using the excellent Bachmann product-I reckon on about two hours per wagon conversion time now (that only because I've done so many and I'm now supposed to know what I'm doing!! :roll: )


Actually the conversion of these only took a couple of minutes of snipping off the ribs! What is going to take time is making them heavy enough to stay on the track while retaining the ability to run empty. They also need proper coupling hooks to replace the plastic ones.


Checked out the accessory decoder I showed above using the MERG programmer at MMRS last night. The Dynamis has correctly programmed it put I have changed it to address 2 so that the one i'm currently finishing will take the first 4 addresses when complete. I also discovered I have knackered the first output however with a silly bit of short circuiting. Looks like the transistor needs replacing as only a small voltage is getting through. Live and learn and its still cheaper than a Lenz module with only 3 outputs working!
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Postby Kempenfelt » Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:55 pm

Hi Craig,

With regards to adding weight to a Bachmann RTR chassis, I chisel out the unwated plastic around the existing weight, ditch the weight supplied by Bachmann and replace this with liquid or sheet lead. This method means you do not have to add any weight where it may be seen either as a false floor or weight under the chassis. If you are attending the Yate show Jan 26th i'll bring along one of my wagon's. Alternatively I exhibiting at the Kiddeminster show with the Nettlebridge Valley and potentially at Rail Ex with Western Road Depot after my baptism of fire at Rail Wells (still tbc at present).

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Postby Judge Dread » Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:39 pm

MartinWales wrote:
craigwelsh wrote:
MartinWales wrote:Nice work! Whose wheels are you using?


Erm, it says above..


I certainly bought myself a challenge in the shape of a Martin Finney loco on Sunday at Scaleforum. I'll work up to it by doing a Mallard models 3000g tender 1st :).


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Postby Ashley » Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:42 pm

Just saying very nice work. Good to see weathering etc.
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Postby MartinWales » Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:04 pm

Kempenfelt wrote:Hi Craig,

With regards to adding weight to a Bachmann RTR chassis, I chisel out the unwated plastic around the existing weight, ditch the weight supplied by Bachmann and replace this with liquid or sheet lead. This method means you do not have to add any weight where it may be seen either as a false floor or weight under the chassis. If you are attending the Yate show Jan 26th i'll bring along one of my wagon's. Alternatively I exhibiting at the Kiddeminster show with the Nettlebridge Valley and potentially at Rail Ex with Western Road Depot after my baptism of fire at Rail Wells (still tbc at present).

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I too adopt a similar proceedure with slight modifications
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Postby Captain Kernow » Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:47 pm

Kempenfelt wrote:With regards to adding weight to a Bachmann RTR chassis, I chisel out the unwated plastic around the existing weight, ditch the weight supplied by Bachmann and replace this with liquid or sheet lead. This method means you do not have to add any weight where it may be seen either as a false floor or weight under the chassis.

Alternatively, if you are feeling really masochistic, you could cut out the entire plastic floor and replace with a bit of sheet lead.... :? :shock: :wink:
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Postby Jub45565 » Tue Jan 15, 2008 10:52 pm

Captain Kernow wrote:Alternatively, if you are feeling really masochistic, you could cut out the entire plastic floor and replace with a bit of sheet lead.... :? :shock: :wink:


Or, depending on how fixed the coal loads are (though you mention needing the ability to run empty, so I take it they are loose) you could just add a false floor of sheet lead (Im surprised CK didnt mention this option himself, seeing as I got the idea from him!). It keeps the structural rigidity of the original Bachmann, but sticks the wagon to the track like the proverbial to a shovel.

I doubt it would work on a 3 plank or less, as the difference in side height would be more noticeable, but anything 5 and above should be fine. My Parkside minerals done like this look fine.
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Postby jim s-w » Tue Jan 15, 2008 10:55 pm

Hi Craig

Got any pics of your Bill Bedford powered DMU? Any tips in building one?

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Postby Craig Watson » Tue Jan 15, 2008 11:24 pm

jim s-w wrote:Hi Craig

Got any pics of your Bill Bedford powered DMU? Any tips in building one?

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I'd be interested in the above too!

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Postby craigwelsh » Wed Jan 16, 2008 11:54 am

Craig Watson wrote:
jim s-w wrote:Hi Craig
Got any pics of your Bill Bedford powered DMU? Any tips in building one?
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I'd be interested in the above too!
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Short clip of the motor coach here:
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it does actually run quite well (and has somehow produces a nice 'clack-clack' over the piece of track in that clip!) but the shafts do have a tendency to slip, something I tried to sort with superglue but it hasn't lasted.

Pictures were on the old forum I think but i'll try and take some more when i'm at home.

The trailer hasn't had its new underframe fitted yet as the spring units hadn't etches properly on the early batches Bill did so I had to wait until recently to get one. I should be getting it done soon though.

I also now have the Silver fox conversion for the DMS and the DC Kits cabs to sort out the body although thats on the back burner until I have access to my minidrill.

David Lane (bigcheeseplant) has a working Parcels car that runs on Saffron St so he is the better person to ask really. I'd rate the system as temperamental though to be honest.
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